Please read as attentively as possible, as so many people seem to be missing a lot of information about how relationships work. It's not hard to figure out, it's completely straightforward, but it seems that Dr. Love here will have to put the facts in plain english before all you lemmings subscribe to a life of stupid drama.
It's not a platonic relationship
If he's talking to you and you aren't related to him, he probably wouldn't mind planting you. It's a compliment. Forget about what you think you know about men.
Marriage is a recipe for disaster
Applications of math are everywhere, yet people that actually figure out the math beforehand are few and far between. Let's step through some numbers.
According to StatsCan, in 2003 there was an average of 38.4 divorces per 100 marriages. If you compare this with earlier numbers, we can see that the rate is steadily rising over the last few years. Therefore we can probably round up the divorce rate for 2005 and beyond to at least 40 out of every 100 marriages. (The peak divorce rate of 50.6% was actually in 1987, and with the lowest divorce rate being 34.8% in 1997 makes our 40% seem to be a conservative estimate.) It sounds like the odds of having a working marriage aren't nearly as good as many would want them to be.
But by now you should have realized that these numbers, like most numbers, are total bunk. How do we know that this 40% aren't the same people getting married and divorced over and over again? That would skew things by a lot. Also, I'd say that 40% of the population is generally nuts (either insane, alcoholic or otherwise far from a social norm) and aren't capable of sustaining a relationship anyways. Sure, StatsCan can probably spit out some more numbers omitting multiple divorcees and etc, but who really cares. They'd be a bunch of numbers with questionable value. Boring. I got a D in Statistics anyways. D for DONE!
That said, it's a real shame that marriage in western culture has been romanticized and politicized to death. It's basically a love contract, how screwed up can you get? Not only is it very unnatural and odd idea but it has become so engrained with the average schmuck's self esteem so much that they need psychotherapy if they don't have a wife and 2.5 kids. Marriage is a good fit for many people, but sometimes it's good to realize you aren't exactly marriage material.
The most entertaining thing today is the issue of same-sex marriage. Crazy people think it's a very huge deal. It's quite comical that a group of people want to opt into a program I would like to see banned. Yes. Ban marriage. It would make things so much easier. Once a prospective spouse figures it's time to get hitched, you could remind them that the only institution that really cares anymore would be the now powerless church, that it would do absolutely nothing to benefit your finances or improve your quality of life in general. Without the goofy forms, wouldn't it just be a huge party about a ring exchange?
However, if you are crazy enough to want kids, for christ sake GET MARRIED FIRST. If things are still peachy after the 5th anniversary, then you can pop out as many troublemakers as you like.
The CBC has some more funny stuff on the topic. By the way, pre-nup's are your friend.
Love is a euphemism for hyperactive hormones
That feeling of "I want to have his children" or "I'd like to plow her til the end of time" isn't love. Your job is to create the next generation, bucko. Quit watching so much Disney.
Talking blows
Relationships aren't about meaningful conversation. You don't see people running out to date a eunuch. Why do long distance relationships fail? Too much talking, not enough screwing.
If you need to work something out, either talk it over with your buddies or shut up.
The Grass is always Greener on the Other Side
Think about it for a second, and you'll realize that the dog on the end of your leash is the least attractive in the park. There is no challenge in an already accomplished mission. Things get boring if there is no work involved. Couples become lethargic, and "the spark" disappears. (By the way, I haven't heard any guys complain about "the spark" taking off - we have simple starters.) This leads into my next point...
Cheating happens
News flash, women cheat too. Women cheat just as much as men do. The stigma is that men cheat more than women, which may be true to some degree, but is usually overblown. I believe the differences are a result of the way the different genders react to being cheated on.
When her partner is found to be unfaithful, a woman will usually be a very public mess, usually announce that all men are pigs, and that she hates her ex.
However, men faced with a similar situation don't tend to exchange stories of that matter as they aren't particularly proud of them. It may even be relatively unknown that the guy has a girlfriend.
I know you're probably being dense and thinking "But I would never cheat!". Sure you would. When was the last time you were put in a situation where cheating was a possibility? In relationships, people tend to avoid going to clubs without their partner. Remove yourself from your partner for a length of time (say a year), put yourself in many situations involving alcohol and the opposite sex, and start the countdown to infidelity. If you happen to somehow not get propositioned, it usually means you're either hard to look at or your personality sucks or both, in which case, you're going to get dumped soon anyhow.
Also, don't even think for a second that they won't cheat cause you married them. People sign papers all the time, paper doesn't mean jack shit. Anyone can be talked out of anything.
People operate out of their own self-interest. If you don't reflect their own self-interest as effectively as other options in their life, the game is over. There are no selfless people nor selfless acts. Every voluntary action in some way reflect's ones own agenda and ideals. If you're doing something, it does something for you. Simple.
Right about now you're probably thinking I'm the Darth Vader of relationships. This all may seem to be extremely pessimistic about a lot of things, but actually it is only reality. Someday you will have to deal with it and drop the Cinderella hallucination and play in the real world. If this is somehow depressing, too bad. If you managed to deal with the other aspects of life that weren't completely subservient to your wishes, you will cope. Maybe relationships just aren't your thing. Who wants to lock their lives into insane commitments?
But maybe, just maybe this entire article serves my self interest. Spreading reluctance about serious relationships should naturally create more single women. Less women with commitments means more possibility of action.
Yes. Ladies, stay single. I haven't got around to you yet. I'm trying. Just relax. It will be worth the wait.
Patience is a virtue.
Comments...
leo - Couple comments..
1. The lowest divorce rate was in 1997? I always thought it was increasing steadily but it seems to just fluctuate near the 45% mark. Interesting.
2. While I agree that the term "marriage" may no longer be an appropriate term, the concept of it is still necessary. Putting all thoughts of "showing your commitment" aside, there are no real concrete benefits to marriage for the typical male. Once you are living with your partner, you have everything you would get in a marriage. Since women are the childbearers, marriage serves the additional purpose of providing some extra insurance against the man just leaving them with nothing. This is good. But the term marriage has nothing to do with this.
What they should do is rename marriage to civil union as far as the government is concerned while providing the same benefits as they do now. As I see it, everyone should be happy with that. The gays can be happy because they get civil unions like everyone else, the religions are happy because they can still call it marriage and discriminately select people that are allowed to be "married". And everyone else can be happy because they still get the same benefits.
3. On the topic of platonic relationships, this comes up once in a while and women always seem to be surprised/weirded out at the concept. This is because for a male, there is a very real difference between physical attraction and the desire to actually be with a person. In most females, these two things are more tightly connected.
Thus a male has no problems being attracted to his female friends (wanting to "plant" them in Sheldon's words) while at the same time having no desire to be more than friends with them.
This is the same concept as males liking to look at pictures of naked women and porn a lot more than females. It doesn't have anything to do with relationships.
4. Your comments on cheating are pretty biased. The part about the year apart and alcohol is fair though.
5. About the challenge in relationships.. This is one of the primary differences between males and females when looking for dates. Let me just speak in generalizations here, yes they're not accurate for everyone, but for more people than not they are.
If a woman is presented with two men, say they are clones of each other and exactly equal in every way, except that one has a girlfriend and the other doesn't, the woman would find the man with the girlfriend more attractive. I'm not sure if the lure is the challenge of winning him over, or if the fact that he has a girlfriend is some assurance of quality, but this is the general trend. A guy presented with the same choice would always choose the non-attached girl. Why make more work for yourself?
Anyway. I seem to have written more than sheldon did.. so time to wrap it up.
sheldong - you're biased!
About the divorce rate, yeah it seems levelled out. At least it's not like a spreading virus or anything.
I completely agree with your ideas on marriage. See [Link]
About your comments about platonic relationships, porn, etc. The way I see it is like seeing candy on the floor. It looks appetizing and makes you salivate but sometimes you don't know where it's been and what kind of trouble you may get into. Other times you may want to use the 5 second rule and just go for it.
I don't know how the hell you figure I'm biased. The rest of the world is biased!
Adding to your clones idea, make two male clones, put one in engineering and the other in any other faculty... the answer is all too predictable.
Ah well, I'll continue eating these wine gums off the carpet.
Parrell - Here's the thing...
If you get married you get cheaper car insurance! Woo-Hoo!
Merriman - You guys are all wrong
There is one huge benefit to marriage: TAX BENEFITS. More pieces of paper, but you don't sign and send these away. They are sent to you.
As for cheating ... well, we have a little game in Campbell River. We never bothered to give it a name, but here's the gist of it:
Guy A bets Guy B, Guy C, Guy D and Guy E he can cheat for two weeks on his girlfriend, Girl A. If he manages to cheat for that long without getting caught, he receives a case of beer from Guy B, Guy C, Guy D and Guy E. That's 48 beer for anyone who's counting. If he loses, he buys a case of beer for Guys B - E.
As a sidenote, a certain Guy A has never lost. We've more or less retired the game after we got tired of buying him beer for hooking up with chicks.
Fuck I hate Guy A.
Fiona -
"Thus a male has no problems being attracted to his female friends (wanting to "plant" them in Sheldon's words) while at the same time having no desire to be more than friends with them."
Thank god for that! :D
Devon -
"A guy presented with the same choice would always choose the non-attached girl. Why make more work for yourself?"
I must think like a guy then. Back in the day, if I met a really great guy who happened to have a girlfriend, I wouldn't give him a second look. There'd be no point. I don't want to be the kind of girl who chases after "attached" men. Besides which, if the attached guy were to start a relationship with me, I'd always wonder "he cheated on his last girlfriend, so what's to stop him from cheating on me?"
So...in conclusion...
Wait, what was my point?
Oh yeah! Stay away from guys with girlfriends! There's nothing but trouble there.
sheldong - yep
Yeah, same thing goes the other way. If you convince a girl to leave a guy, well she is all too manipulable and it's just a matter of time before the next flavour of the week steals her from you.
That said, how do you know the unattached guy hadn't cheated on his last girlfriend, which made him single in the first place?
In some cases being in a commited relationship acts like a seal of trustworthiness.
It's all nonsense!
Melanie - my two cents
First off, thanks for your "It's not platonic" comment. I am retarded when it comes to guys hitting on me (not that it happens that often) - I seem to think that people are generally nice and really want to get to know each other and have fune healthy relationships - what planet am I FROM?!?! My husband (yes, husband - I'm getting to that) tells me all the time I have to be less friendly to people (ie: guys) because they get the wrong impession, and that I have to understand that guys don't want to be friends. Arrgggg. Now, onto the marriage thing. I got married at 21 and though I don't regret it for a second, I have been criticized OVER AND OVER because I don't believe in "THE ONE" - I think it's total bullshit. People ask me all the time "How did you know he was THE ONE??". and I always say "I didn't - I don't believe in the one. I DECIDED to marry him and spend my life with him". This throws people off and they think I am un-romantic (which in my books, isn't the worst thing you could be) etc. Anyway, I'm rambling. Just my two bits.
~M
Leo - @melanie
Hear hear. The concept of "the one" is so bullshit. If that were the case then there'd be just as many happy mariages as lottery winners.
I support the idea of "the few million". Then the chances of meeting one that you can make it work with correspond more to the statistical data on satisfied couples.
Holy shit, watch out girls, I'm just Mister Fucken Romantic :)
leo - gfs
Leaving someone for someone else is cheating? News to me. I think it's all about ego. Convincing someone to drop their old SO for you gives the ol' ego a boost.
I think the stigma is unfair. So some girl is getting tired of her boyfriend, meets someone else and jumps ship. What's the big deal? Happens all the time and doesn't have anything to do with cheating (unless she was dating the other guy before she broke up with her old bf).
A GIRL -
Porn rocks!!
sheldong - the one and other stuff
Yes, I'd agree, "the one" could be many different people.
Pretend for a second that you were on the cast of "Lost" and stuck on an island with a small number of choices. Who is "the one" then? (Tip: Stay away from the Kate character)
Also, what if "the one" you have now got hit by a bus? He isn't the invincible Keanu Reeves here. What then? Give up entirely?
All the nice guys you've spoken to probably want to be more than friends with you. They might not hit on you as far as flirting or asking you out, but they want to stay in your good books for a reason.
I'll bet whenever you have a story to tell your husband about the nice guy you met at the store, it drives him up the wall. Sure, he'll deal with it fine, but his suspicion of the other dude's ulterior motives will not and should not cease. Unless the other guy is gay. Hooray for Gays!
Also, let's be clear, I hope nobody thinks this article is bashing their marriage or bashing marriage in general. What I am hoping for is that people quit thinking of marriage their own personal Everest. Too many people think it's everything that anything leads up to, thinking of marriage as a rite of passage. It's great for most people but it's not everyone's Mecca.
However, if your marriage is on the rocks after reading this, give me a call :)
sheldong - leaving and cheating
I think the difference of leaving and cheating is measured in factors of coercion and deception.
If you made a large effort to coerce the girl into leaving her boyfriend, while it's not actually cheating yet, it shows how malleable that person is. The next manipulator with a bottle of wine in his hand will probably talk that girl right out of your arms. And thats just too bad, Don Juan!
Relatively Good Scenario:
1. Your current relationship is very fucked up and destructive
2. You meet someone else
3. It becomes something more than friends.
4. You tell your current partner that it's not going to work - ASAP.
5. You build the new relationship.
Tha t's fine. It does show a weakness in will it does not show the greatest lack of ethic.
A Bad Situation:
1. Everything is not peachy in your mind, but your partner has the idea that it is.
2. You meet someone else
3. It becomes something more than friends, but for one reason or another you aren't able to release the last catch.
4. For as long as humanely possible, you keep everything a secret.
I guess the big difference is how honest people are being. When people have the idea that they won't face consequences, they'll lie about absolutely everything.
If people were very straightforward with what works and what doesn't and what they actually want out of things, then cheating wouldn't actually occur. There would be a lot of people jumping ship, though. But hopefully on good terms.
Melanie - not offended....
1) Sheldon.....I am totally un-offended by your thoughts on marriage. I agree that a lot of people go into marriage thinking "Woooohoooooo, all my problems are solved". This may be true, but marriage just develops a whole NEW set of problems (ahhh, there's my romantic side again!!). This may sound really negative, but it's reality. I am really happy to be married, but some days.....
2) thank goodness for people who agree with me on "The One". Every time some chick gushes "I think he's the ONE!!" I get Matrixy visions of Lawrence Fishburn and guys with earpieces, and hope she gets eaten by one of those metallic squids (what were they called?? - sentinels?). Get a grip. It's a DECISION people, not a thought/feeling/emot ion etc!!!
3)Sheldon - re: telling my husband about "nice" guys. I think you are VERY right on that one. Last time I went over to Bowen Island, this guy from Australia started talking to me on the ferry and was really nice friendly and gave me his contact info so that "if I was ever in Australia...". I told my hubby this and said "Wasn't that nice of him?!?" and he looked at me like I had told him Hitler was my best friend. He wants me to take self defense. Whatever.
Melanie - ...and one more thing
Oh, and another thing (pass the soapbox, I'm going for round 2), JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE MARRIED, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU WANT/MUST HAVE KIDS!!! Why do people think it's okay to ask people insanely personal questions like "So when are you going to start a family?". Hello, I don't ask you when you are next going to have unprotected sex, so why is it okay to ask me using a happy euphemism??? Why can't people conceive (no pun intended) of a couple just wanting to be married, but not have little snot-heads running around for 18+ years? Don't get me worng, I LOVE other peoples' kids, I just don't want my own. I have even been told that I am SELFISH for not wanting to have kids. Give me a freaking break!! So this year I turned 25 and graduated with my Masters, so for some reason, it's like you hit these milestones and people think "Oh, I better ask....". I want to say "Yes, you're right. My deepest, most secret desire is - after getting massively in debt and spending a bazillion hours over seven years getting these degrees - what I really, REALLY want is to give up any career I might have got out of all that, become massively hormonal and have something screaming latched to my boob for the next year". Okay. I might be over-reacting. Thanks for letting me get that off my chest ;)
sheldong - oh, the sanity
That post about kids was refreshingly sane.
I can't believe women that would invest a ton of money into an education then have baby-making as the next thing on their to-do list.
For those that have kids, don't feel as if it's an unworthy cause, as I'm not trying to say having kids is crazy.
What I'm saying is using your university education as nothing more than a dating service is insane.
Do something with it! Get a job! Do anything! Kids can wait!
kat - hehe go devon!
I actually totally agree with Devon.
(and for a seemingly unrelated comment) see you're wrong. Girls aren't more attracted to 'taken' guys, you just pulled that crap from your ass.