Rights and Freedoms

How are your freedoms treating you today? Pretty good I guess.

But sorry, your free society is a farce. Your freedom is limited. And thank god for that.

One does not have freedoms as much as they have privileges. You do not have a single freedom this bastion of liberty can't remove.

Think about it. All you need to do is kill some people in heinous ways and all your freedoms would practically become null and void. Your last solid right would be the right to life. A lot of nations don't even give you that much. I guess the big idea in this is you have freedoms as long as you don't encroach on the freedom of others. It is all something granted.

This setup creates some sort of sanity within society as humans cannot be trusted with boundless freedom. You would go crazy in the absence of all consequence. Complete freedom destroys responsibility and accountability. This is why anarchy is about as fun as tossing salad. I'd prefer a totalitarian regime to a completely establishment free society.

One main producer of rhetoric lifting the importance of freedom is The Freenet Project. For those that don't know, the aim of Freenet is to create a program and internet protocol that allows its users to be completely anonymous. Through various crazy encryption and routing algorithms, Freenet lets both the producer and consumer of content remain unknown. A primary aim of Freenet is to become a tool of political dissent, as people wishing to criticize the state would be able to do so without fear of repercussions.

While it is useful that such an application is in development, as it would be handy if a dictator (or corrupt liberal party) somehow seized control of the country. Then again, the ruling party would probably have smashed your networks as well as your independence.

But, as it is now, in Freenet I see almost negligible value for the political dissident.

Freenet blows for talking shit about the government because:
  • It's slow
    Freenet is not and never will be the fastest form of communcation. Getting the message out takes time that a critic of a totalitarian regime may not have. If you somehow managed to seize a government document outlining how the shit will hit the fan in the very near future, why bother with Freenet?

  • Its existence is itself incriminating
    In an environment that does not support free speech, having Freenet installed on your computer is a good way to end up in jail. An evil government would most likely have control of internet backbone connections, and it wouldn't take much effort to sniff packets and discover who is a Freenet user. You'd probably end up on a hit list for using encrypted email, let alone an application devoted to circumventing authority.

  • Nobody is watching
    It doesn't matter what you say about the state if no one will hear you. There is probably already a lot of rants and criticisms about governments around the world on Freenet - but is anyone reading them? The audience of your content would be mostly made up of abusers of freedom (criminals), paranoid intellectuals and maybe a Freenet developer. That is hardly the audience you would require to really make your voice heard.


This shows that Freenet isn't exactly the best friend of a political activist as it is often toted to be. But what other nice individuals find Freenet useful? Lets see:
  • Criminals
    It's only natural that ones using a veil of anonymity would not always use it in the most ethical ways. In fact, it would be hard to say if ethics would even exist in such an environment.

  • Terrorists
    When does a political dissident become a terrorist? Americans like to think that the rebel in China or Cuba as a freedom fighter. Shit, if you said you wanted to kill Castro, the Americans would give you the bullets to do it. But what is a rebel in America? A terrorist. The attitude is that dissent is fine - as long as it happens somewhere else. Remember the Americans pretty much banned the Communist Party. If you are a militant activist in the western world, the word we use is "terrorist". Anywhere else, you're a "defender of liberty fighting the oppressive oligarchy".

  • Distributors of illegal pornography
    Freenet isn't limited to text only communications. Even if developers wished it to be, there would be a workaround. You're exchanging bytes of information, these bytes can be anything and there is no way to force them to adhere to rules of decency. Illegal pornography negatively affects everyone's lives. Freenet will become, if it isn't already, a haven for the perverse. Is real freedom worth the free flowing depravity? What value do your rights have if they also enable the degenerates?

Sometimes we listen to our own bullshit about freedom and liberty a bit too much.

The most bullshit arises in how we love our freedom of speech - except when this freedom is extended to people like Ernst Zündel. Sure, Zündel is a moron. But if he isn't able to say all the incorrect and unpopular crap he wants, then isn't your freedom of speech rather useless? You only need this freedom if you're saying things nobody wants to hear. You need only be worried about what you say if the ruling majority doesn't like your views.

The line between free speech and hate mongering is very blurred, but this is basically inevitable. This makes blather about a "freedom of speech" exceptionally stupid, but the only alternative is letting morons like Ernst spout their mouths.

One very annoying group complaining about their apparent rights is student unions across Canada. Now I understand that they mostly just want to change public opinion to benefit them by waving ugly yellow signs claiming that "Education is a right". That said, I still think it's a rather loaded claim. Education being a right basically implies that no impediments to acquiring it should exist - tuition should be zero and entrance requirements should be ignored.

While a right to information would work, a right to education (also known as information spoon fed to you from a yuppie) isn't as straightforward or beneficial. When a student has something invested in their education, it becomes something more than a time consuming rite of passage. Students are generally more concerned about the quality of instruction when they have paid for it.

Student unions could better spend their time by ceasing to pretend that education is their birthright and focus on convincing the public that low tuition is in everyone's best interest. Good luck though, as it doesn't change the fact that we tend to need more able bodied ditch diggers than self-important philosophy students.

Basically, your rights and freedoms in this free state are mostly bunk.

This paves the way for my benevolent dictatorship.

You won't have to do anything. All the pillars are in place.

C'mon, it will be awesome.

Everyone will have a right to beer.

Comments...

Merriman - Freedom

I've said it before, and I say it again: Democracy isn't freedom. Democracy is merely majoritarianism.

leo - freedoms

I can't really tell which side you're arguing on, but the argument that free speech is no good because it's used by tards like Zuendel is stupid. There is no sustainable halfway point for free speech. Either you support total free speech or you don't support it all.
Or we can decide that free speech is good, but only for people that are not hate mongerers. We can all agree that that would be fine.. So let's extend the restriction to terrorists. No one likes a terrorist, so no free speech for them either. And all those stupid drug pushing, body piercing, protesting punks too. All they do is disrupt society so we can exclude them too right?

This type of thinking can and will go on forever.

Freenet may not be a great resource for political dissidents, but that doesn't mean it isn't useful. The slow argument is fairly bogus.. So it takes an hour to propage, that's not significant. Sure the mere existence of Freenet on your computer may be incriminating, but first they have to trace it to you, not so easy when you're routing over port 80 and encrypting everything. Yes you're going to get illegal uses of the network, but that's the price you have to pay for freedom like that. And anyway, if you want to take down pedophiles, go after the source, not the distribution.
I think freenet is more a social experiment and a programming challenge than a really useful tool.. But that's ok too.

Oh yeah. Free society is not a farce because freedoms are limited. A free society is not based on unlimited freedoms and was never meant to be.

Yes, people would be out of control if there were no consequences. But there are other limiters than governmental structure and authority. Don't underestimate the power of instrinsic limiters on people's behaviour. Would I start killing random people if there was no law against it? Probably not (except the coop department).



sheldong - more clarity

Ok, what I meant when ranting about "free speech" is that since Zundel is basically going to jail for saying the wrong things, then free speech is basically meaningless. I'm not saying that free speech isn't good, I'm saying free speech doesn't exist in our functions today.

Freenet is a social experiment now because nobody cares enough to use it. Once it leaves the incubator and is widely used by people needing anonymity, you will begin seeing widespread abuse of Freenet's capabilities.

And yes, pretend I'm a corrupt regime, in which case I'm going to listen tap your communications. As soon as you're talking to many different computers on the internet with encrypted packets (it would be rather easy to tell), I'm going to go to your house and break your skull. As far as the regime is concerned, Freenet can only be used for illegal purposes.

You remove Freenet's responsibility for illegal pornography by saying we should go after the source. The problem is, Freenet does not in any way reveal where the source is - it is Freenet's raison d'etre. So.... who the hell do we go after then?

Intrinsic limiters also seem to be a work of fiction, at least there is no indication that people would all just get along if there was no law.

kat - d00d

Ok I'm leaving a random comment so that you know I'm still reading these.

I can't believe a bunch of people SKIPPED class to protest rising tuition fees.

(does that even make sense?)

leo - @sheldon

Freenet is like the internet. It's a general tool for communications. It has no inherent bias towards any particular form of communication, therefore it is expected that it will be used for illegal activities by some people.

How do you like your internet access? How do you feel about people using the internet and TCP/IP to trade child porn and plan terrorist attacks on innocent people? Isn't the internet also a dumb idea because it allows people to do these things? I don't get what the difference is. Neither network was designed for the purpose of helping criminals, and yet both networks are used by criminals. Such is the nature of non-restrictive communication.

An d yes, all people wouldn't get along if there was no law.. But then again, we don't all get along now either. Law or no law there will always be the same number of assholes around. In any case, there is always Darwin to make sure that there is some sort of law being upheld.

And Kat, why doesn't it make sense to skip class to protest rising tuition fees? Does it make sense to strike if your wages are being cut? I'm not really one to protest about things like that, but I'm glad someone is doing it. If we all just sat there smiling and nodding at whatever was pushed down the pipe, the tuition hikes would never be controlled.

sheldong - freenet vs internet

Ok, would you post Coldplay's new album in mp3 format on your website?

No, nobody in their right minds would do that. You'd get your pants sued off if that crap was publicly available.

Now would you post that same album on Freenet?

Sure! Nobody would ever find out that you were the one that posted it.

The internet is used for illegal activity, but it is not as well suited for the job as Freenet is. The internet is not anonymous by design. Every IP address is tied to a computer and the person responsible for it.

The internet is also used for a lot of legitimate activities that Freenet will NEVER be used for. This website is legal, it has no place on Freenet.

About skipping class to protest, well, I've skipped class for way more trivial reasons so I don't have room to criticize the activists :)

Also, Coldplay's new album mostly sucks, and I do hope that everyone does steal it.

I wish they would change it up, just a little bit for christ sake, maybe buy some better lyrics from a hobo downtown. There are 3 songs I can listen to on that entire album without having a seizure.

kat - @ leo leo leo

Because you just threw away like 100$ to waves around signs and bitch. No ones going to listen to you if you protest because you're just throwing a tantrum like a baby. Like a good parent, people probably will, and should, completely ignore you.

Especially about tuition. It was FROZEN for a long time. It HAD to go up. Its unfortunate it happened to us, but bitching is NOT going to change that.

So save yourself a few hundred dollars, and actually ATTEND the classes that you're "paying too much for" because of course just throwing the money away to swing signs at people is a GREAT way to get your point across.

And tuition here is a lot cheaper then many other places. We should be thankful, not bitchy.

leo - tuition

If protesting is like throwing a tantrum, what would you suggest as a better alternative to change public policy?
Politics is all about bitching, bitching gets stuff done. Sure 10 people protesting are not going to change anything, but 1000 or 100,000 people might.

I don't think quietly attending classes is any way to get the point across that the classes are costing too much.

Sure, tuition here is a lot cheaper than in a lot of places (other provinces, the US, etc). It's also a lot more expensive than in a lot of places (germany, finland, sweden, denmark all have no tuition at all). Judging yourself relative to others is a usually not a good idea. You have to evaluate your actions based on whether they make sense for you.

leo - tuition pt2

This is an interesting read:
http://gauntl et.ucalgary.ca/story /6986

Steve - Tuition

I'm too tired to figure out from your long-ass arguments who's for reducing tuition, and who isn't.

But here's something to think about. Some places may have cheap or no tuition whatsoever. But in those places only a tiny portion of the population goes to university, compared to the huge amount here. And its a fight for those positions. Countries like Japan realize there's no fucking way you need a class full of art history majors every year. In all Canada, there's probably 10 jobs that require an art history degree, yet we keep pumping out the art history majors so they can serve up some burgers.

Countrie s like Japan realize that trades are actually important, and actually promote them.

leo - tuition

"Some places may have cheap or no tuition whatsoever. But in those places only a tiny portion of the population goes to university, compared to the huge amount here"

No.

Stud ents in post-secondary education in Canada in 2004: 785,000
(http://www .aucc.ca/publication s/research/quick_fac ts_e.html)

Studen ts in post-secondary education in Germany in 2003/04:
2,019,831

(http://www.destati s.de/basis/e/biwiku/ hochtab2.htm)
Now the population of canada is about 30 mil, and 80 mil in germany. So if we adjusted for population, the equivalent number of students in Canada would be 2,093,000

So we have the same percentage of the population going to university, and yet germany manages to not charge tuition. Other countries are probably the same, but I don't feel like looking up more stats.

That said, I think we should implement a tuition scale based on the usefulness of the degree you are going for. So lets do some surveys of people with degrees and figure out whether they are contributing to the country 10 years after they graduate. Then we figure out which degrees produce the "best" citizens (in a GDP sense) and charge less tuition for those degrees.

For example, say that 90% of people that took have a biotech degree now have appropriate jobs in the field, but only 10% of english majors got jobs related to their major, then we adjust tuition such that the biotech becomes cheaper and the english major is more expensive.

In this case it becomes extremely hard to go to university just to slack off with useless courses. Either you take a useless degree and pay through the nose, or you take a hard degree and have to really be determined to get through, but you don't have to worry about tuition.

leo - @sheldon

wtf is up with the spaces being inserted everywhere?

Steve - That doesn't work, either

The problem with making a slidable scale for tuition, is the 'best citizens' this year won't be the same 5, 10, 20 years from now. That, and the fact that it still focuses on University and College students, solely. Right now, everyone's focusing on how important University is, and neglecting to mention how most of our trades personal are retiring soon. What's the difference if we pump out 1,000,000 arts students or 1,000,000 engineers if what we really need is trades?

What the government really needs to do is look at the demographics and figure out exactly what we need for the future, and re-evaluate annualy. Then they'd adjust tuition for University, College and Trade Schools AND promote the programs that they want more enrollment in. That might mean some years tuition for ALL university programs would increase.

Which is exactly why we should wait until I graduate until this program is implemented ...

leo - yeah

Yeah. They could reevaluate the weightings every year. Wouldn't be that hard. There's no reason that trades couldn't be included in that. If we need more tradespeople then we make the tuition for that free or low cost.

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